Refugees

cutiebeautie

Love your comment. LOVE IT or LEAVE IT !!!!! And I would say assimilate and accept the heritage. And .... bring the best from your own! love you AUSTRALIA. Living here for 25 years was a God's sent experience. Than you !!!!!!

nusanan

I wonder where peabrain came from,yes this country did belong to the aboriginal people and i am ashamed of how they where treated.But this is 2012 and we hopefully are more civilised.The people coming in boats are not asylum seekers they are ILLEGALS and therfore should be treated as criminals. They show the children to tug the heart strings but the fact they risk the childrens lives in such a way would indicate that the children are disposable possibly not even their own children. Criminals and terrorists will do whatever it takes so please WAKE UP they think we are a soft touch and we are proving them right.

Joe

I am in full agreement regarding refugees. In one sense I kind of have a sympathetic approach toward them, but when there is this PROTEST mindset they have regarding their rights would influence how they would be processed with a good result. It kind of demonstrates what kind of people we are allowing to come into our country. But as to where the best place for processing is, I don't know, but not on Australian main land soil.

truck

Refugees should be photographed, fingerprinted and sent immediately back to the port that they departed from. These people generally have traveled legally through several countries before destroying their papers. They drain and abuse the system. It is time that Australia stood up forgot what others thinks of us ( most don't even know where we are) and restore Australia to the great country it was first, these people don't wish to assimilate and accept the Australian ways they just wish to push their ways on us.

Steve49

And so say the majority of US. Well said mate.

Yes, take a leaf out of the American book, if they arrive here illegally by boat send them straight back where they came from and put them at the back of the queue.
I do sympathise with them but if they come here illegally they don't have any rights.

errolsyd

Refugees should be photographed, fingerprinted and sent immediately back to the port that they departed from. These people generally have traveled legally through several countries before...

And so say the majority of US. Well said mate.

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19chris51

I fully agree with veejay, and now the trouble at Villawood, I grew up just the next street from the then, Migrant Hostel, we would walk through there to go to High School (Chester Hill High) I knew quite a lot of people in the hostel,people coming to this country legellaly (assisted passage)they were lovely hardworking peoople, had none of the benefits these assylum seekers have,they were in TIN SHEDS, for goodness sake, had to walk to a shower block and dinning room etc, and no entertainment room,Villawood is now quite a nice place as people have their own little units (BRICK) which have eating facilities and their own shower, and remember it is a Detention Centre, supposedly for people waiting to be transported back to where they came from as they do not have refugee statace.
Ungrateful is all I can say,so they are surrounded by barbed wire fence, THEY ARE DETAINED. Stop being so weak and toughen up is all I can sayt to the Government.

Wynwood

Following all the damage on Christmas Island we now have the buildings set on fire at Villawood. These people should have all their payment entitlements stopped until such time as they have repaid to the Government all the costs they have incurred. If Australian residents caused such damage they would be but in jail or have to pay huge fines. I think we need migrants to this country (and include genuine refugees) but we should have the right to choose who comes and they should have skills we need here plus be law-abiding citizens (our laws). They should also be willing to adopt our lifestyle and customs. We would have to do that if we went to other countries to live.

888shelley

Right on the button!! Anyone caught destroying any part of the detention centres (which we tax payers have provided) should be sent back IMMEDIATELY with the message that we will not tolerate bad behaviour. Those that are prepared to wait peacefully will have a better chance of being accepted . My other thought is that the Villawood centre has been a part of our history , just ask the post war (WW1) immigrants who went to this centre while papers etc were dealt with, no behaviour problems then, just gratitude for having a safe place to live.

Chris

I for one am sick to dead of illegal refugees who come to Australia then complain about the condition they are living in. If having everything paid for you and living in clean housing with running water, facilities and electricity is not better then the conditions they were living in then they should go back to home or shut up. As there are a lot of Australian born citizen who do not have this. Maybe instead the one who complain about living in a detention centre and having everything paid for them should be sent to a remote area Aboriginal Community to live where a most of the people do not have proper housing or houses and where they have to pay they their our living costs. In these communities the cost of food is very high and the refuges will have to also learn how to collect bush tucker live on.
I believe that any illegal refugee that damages property or breaks the law while waiting for their refugee paperwork and identification to be check out, then they should automatically be refused and sent back to their country. As they are not people that we want in this country. And do not say I am just saying this because of a person religion, because the illegal immigrants are of all religions as far as I know.
I done care what people believes, it what inside that counts and as long as they respect my right to believe what I want, I will respect their right to believe what they want. But they must respect our laws, our people (different cultures and religions) and our property if they want to come and live in our country.

philipwr

Illegal refugees provide for Australia a classic conflict between xenophobia and basic humanity. On the one hand many of these refugees have been through hell to get here. I acknowledge that and I also acknowledge the fundamental humanity that needs to be offered. Conversely, these guys are illegal and they only make it to this country through the unmitigated greed of the middlemen who have passed then on down through the line until they make it to Indonesia.

What irritates me beyond belief is the attitude of the "do good apologists" who argue we are racist and xenophobic, they then throwing in the religious bigotry card by saying we are anti-Moslem because virtually all these people are Moslem. At the same time, in real life these say "do good apologists" have nothing to do with these same Moslems in their day to day life.

I get so angry at this proposition. Whilst I simply can not accept the validity of the Abrahamic religions, of which Islam is one, it delights me that Australia is a country where all religions can be practiced freely by their adherents without the internecine conflicts that occur in the very countries so many of these people originally hailed from.

For those many thousands who came to this country legally, through the time-honoured and proven process of coming in as refugees or legal immigrants, it must be gut wrenching to see the illegals come through the back door by playing on the heartstrings of the "do good apologists", a situation severely worsened by a Commonwealth government that is seemingly terrified of losing the small vote of these very same "D-G apologists".

Sure, the numbers of "illegals" into Australia is miniscule compared to so many other countries around the world, but the fact remains that they are attempting to circumvent the rules of what is surely the most culturally democratic nation on earth.

These people understand only one thing: "strength!". Certainly there will be gut wrenching scenes as the illegals are returned to their country of origin but this is where strength comes in. If the government did show true strength and did not back-flip at the behest of the "do good apologists" the word would soon get around that Australia was no longer the soft touch that it has become.

Mustang17

The Government pours so much money into placing these refugees on Christmas Island and now in 5 Star Hotels. What about our own people, we have homeless people and people living in poverty. But these people come into our country illegally and then get everything handed to them.
To me they are not refugees as they have travelled through many safe countries to get to Indoniesa on a boat for which they pay thousands of dollars for just to get to Australia the easy country where we open up our doors and allow them to bring their beliefs and practices onto our soil. They dont even want to assimilate. I say enough is enough and the government needs to grow a backbone and say no more.

ted

I came out here in 1961 as a 10pound pom I could not wait to take out Australian Citizenship and have lived here ever since, but I do agree that these Illegal Imigrants should forfeit their right to be able to pay someone big money then say they are poor people (where did they get the money for their passage out here) and as been said they come through countries that are safe for them so why should they not live there. Is it because they know that here they are given everything that they want and nothing is required in return and how many of them would stand up and fight for Australia if we where attacked by another country. So to finish I believe that the ones who keep calling Australian racists and want them here should be required by law to pay for their upkeep.

errolsyd

I came out here in 1961 as a 10pound pom I could not wait to take out Australian Citizenship and have lived here ever since, but I do agree that these Illegal Imigrants should forfeit their right...

Well said Ted, how true. From a fellow racist, who just happens to love OUR country and our way of life.

Anonymous

I totally agree with the above statement. And I would like to add if they were really refugees then they would tell the authorities their real names and the countries they were from so that they could be cleared and get on with their lives in Aus as soon as possible.

ValmaL

I can not imagine what conditions and how desperate some of the people must be to decide to travel under unsafe conditions etc. My heart goes out to those who are so desperate. The trouble makers and those who are deemed trouble makers should be returned immediatly.
It is a difficult situation with no easy solution.

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chookybo

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It still does not give those people the right to destroy their accommodation. If everyone in Australia who was frustrated with something went on a burn and destroy binge to try to get change, then they would be arrested, charged and possibly jailed.

errolsyd

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peejaybee? Why don't you leave Aus seeing that you don't like us Aussies! You don't know about Aussie immigration history. Why are the young men leaving their country instead of staying and fighting for change.

rosema

I totally agree with errolsyd; I too came to this Country as a "legal"immigrant 50 years ago, yes in those days there were Migrant Clubs, but no matter what Country we came from ,we respected Australia ,worked hart and fitted in as it were, we quickly learned the language and our Children were brought up to be proud Aussies; nowadays few Shopping Centre dare play Christmas Song etc
It is also a fact, that although Australia is a huge Continent.it can only support X number of people; what rea;;y needs to be happening is for our Gvt to stop this "soft " approach, let it be Known , we do NOT accept illigal Immigrants and give our Navy,who via their Radar, see those Boats comming a long way out, to order or tow them back to where they came from; it is laughable to think we Australian Tax-payers give our Gvt the right to help and donate more than $200 mill Dollars every year to Indonesia , could/can we not expect the Indonesian Gvt to do the "right "thing and controll their Boarders and Fishing boats departing from there?!

trix56

I totally agree with errolsyd; I too came to this Country as a "legal"immigrant 50 years ago, yes in those days there were Migrant Clubs, but no matter what Country we came from ,we respected ...

They can't tow them back to where they came from because they sink their ships DELIBERATELY so we can't!

errolsyd

I totally agree with errolsyd; I too came to this Country as a "legal"immigrant 50 years ago, yes in those days there were Migrant Clubs, but no matter what Country we came from ,we respected ...

Thanks Rosema , good to see we have some people with the guts to stand up and say what they think. Glad to here from a fellow Aussie.

Bigfoot

Whilst I agree that it appears to take far to long to process these "refugees", we must remember that they are coming to Australia illegally SO put them on the next plane back Indonesia if that is where they are all coming from. Good on you Veejay, if only the "Pollies" had the guts to take a stand on this issue.

Anonymous

I believe that we have a humanitarian duty to accept GENUINE refugees not those that simply come here seeking a better life. However I also believe that migrants after living here for a specified time should have to become Australian Citizens and if they don't they should be required to leave and yes that means all our South African and pommy immigrants too. I'm wholeheartedly in support of the bumper sticker that I see saying Australia if you don't LOVE it LEAVE it' We don't. especially on the Western coast have the water to support a growing population and charity begins at home. We have a duty to protect our way of life for our children and grandchildren. I do not want to see my home become a Muslim State!

chookybo

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You put that very well. Agree! Agree! Agree!

errolsyd

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gabesmate

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I was born in this country, but many years ago married a very kind man who I dearly loved. We had a couple of kids and have been extremely happy. He was born in Europe, and has been trying for some time to get naturalised. Unfortunately he lost his passport a long time ago, and has forgotten a lot of information that would be of use to him. We would like to travel a little before we are too old. He has worked and paid taxes for decades. However now it seems we simply cannot find a way to travel a little because he is fearful that if he travels only on a visa it may be difficult to get back into the country he loves again. You see, Bru, it isn't always possible to get naturalised when you wish to. He's been trying for years.

erogenius

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MJ

Could not have put it any better Bru! Love it - well said!

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RainbowC

Could not have put it any better Bru! Love it - well said!

Completely agree. Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Macca54

Could not have put it any better Bru! Love it - well said!

I also totally agree with you Mez

Mez

Could not have put it any better Bru! Love it - well said!

Could not have put it any better Bru! Love it - well said!

errolsyd

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chookybo

I fully agree with what you say. Boat people are paying thousands of dollars for their passage and their relatives all seem to know when they are due to arrive even before the Government discovers...

Agree!

19chris51

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I agree with what you are saying, and I would also print my name Chri M Hockhing Aussie to the core and proud of 5th generation one side and 6th on the other (yes convict blood, Stole half a loaf of bread) not aborignal, aborignals may have been the fist settlers, but even they came from somewhere else (Asia), I do believe that this country can handle more people, but for GODS sake look after the people here first and foremost,
Legal Migrants...... not ILLEGAL send the illegals back, no more burning of properties for the tax payer to pay for, no more Q Jumping.

Wynwood

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I fully agree with what you say. Boat people are paying thousands of dollars for their passage and their relatives all seem to know when they are due to arrive even before the Government discovers them in our waters. How can these possibly be refugees. Setting fire and damaging facilities should automatically mean exclusion from entry and instant deportation. That might slow them down a bit.

Leelita

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Leelita

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Here Here!!!!!! Or ansestors FOUGHT for the freedom of this country. We made this country what it is (or was) I cant imagine Muslims fighting in a war to save this country...they would not fight with what they call "Infidels"

gabesmate

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I really can see the point that is being made by both respondents. I was born in this country to two people who both migrated from England. I would never wish to exclude anyone because of their colour or their religious beliefs. I must say that for people who have waiting for many years to get the news that they can now come to our country and their time of waiting has ended it must be galling to know that illegal migrants may get in and settle down before them. On the other hand these poor souls who have led totally difficult lives and make perilous journeys in the hope of making a far better life for their children cannot be blamed. Given the same set of circumstances I could probably do exactly the same thing. By the way, peajaybee-- I really think it is just too judmental to suggest that the person to whom you are replying is thinking like a Nazi. It's a bit unkind.

errolsyd

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peajaybee

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mysteron347

The majority of these people are arriving from Indonesia, where they are perfectly safe from persecution - unless you want to group the Indonesian government with the repressive genocidal regimes from which they claim to be escaping.

Since they are safe in Indonesia, they are not refugees, just uninvited migrants who apparently have the resources to pay their passage on the magic boats that start to sink just as the navy appears over the horizon. They're even prepared to risk their lives - and their children's lives - to demand 'protection.'

Put them all on plane back to Indonesia where they're safe, no questions, no exceptions and with a five-year exclusion like visa-overstayers. The whole industry would stop in a fortnight.

And those that complain would be the ones with a financial or political interest - the leeching lawyers and the addled agitators.

The system is fair to all. Put in your paperwork - we'll even help you with that - and WAIT YOUR TURN.

ej

The majority of these people are arriving from Indonesia, where they are perfectly safe from persecution - unless you want to group the Indonesian government with the repressive genocidal regimes...

I agree! Put them to the back of the queue. Why doesn't Australia sell Christmas Island to Indonesia. It is so close to their country anyway. You would find this would stop the boats immediately as they couldn't reach our waters. Also make it that anyone who queue jumped to get here could NEVER bring their family here may go a long way to stopping this as well.

Leelita

The majority of these people are arriving from Indonesia, where they are perfectly safe from persecution - unless you want to group the Indonesian government with the repressive genocidal regimes...

You said it all so well. Send this to Julia. I cant understan why they are all comming here. Seems like a bit of a plan to me!!!! They could come in planes with arms or come silently. I dont know....i just think its scary having so many Radical Musims in Australia. i only found out that it says in the Koran that women should dress "Chaste" and it was the Taliban who brought in the Burka!!!

Jethro

The majority of these people are arriving from Indonesia, where they are perfectly safe from persecution - unless you want to group the Indonesian government with the repressive genocidal regimes...

l could not agree more, get back in line wait your turn, it is because of the "Q"jumpers that the genuine ones have to wait, and if the ones that are forced to wait a bit longer, blame the "Q" jumpers and not the system.

gone fishing

The majority of these people are arriving from Indonesia, where they are perfectly safe from persecution - unless you want to group the Indonesian government with the repressive genocidal regimes...

I'll Drink to that, but when you have gutless wonders in the positions of the power of yea or nay it will never be any different.

squizzy

i am in full agreement with the above statement and would like to include that the persons guilty of destroying property or involved in rioting should be sent on the next plane home with there refugee status refused. If you come to this country you should obey the Australian rules or be deported. it may seem hash but the fact is we are too soft on refugees and we give them even more than we give our own Senior Citz it is about time the polyies wake up and stop being goody two shoes

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peajaybee

i am in full agreement with the above statement and would like to include that the persons guilty of destroying property or involved in rioting should be sent on the next plane home with there...

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