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Halal foods in australia?

What are your thoughts on Halal foods in Australia? Many big brand companies and their products from Vegemite, Bega Cheese to Cadbury Chocolates have the "halal" approved logo on them, you may not have even noticed? My main concern is that there are approximately 350,000 Muslims in Australia out of an approximate population of 22 Million non Muslim Australians and already we have changed what we have done for decades to suit a very small minority.

We are a western democartic society and I am afraid if such a small minority have such a major impact we may see some radical changes in our country that many of us won't like or need.

Many people are boycotting certain companies due to them supporting and showing the Halal approved logo on their products and replacing them with similar products without the Halal approved logo.

What is your opinion on this?

Last reply: 15th Mar 2016 / 25 replies / Post by blondie72

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carolinedolan

Posted by: carolinedolan
Posted: 19th Feb 2011

carolinedolan says: Many companies find it easyer to do this so there product is available to everyone this makes sence to me and for the non halal people it makes no differance. Reply

blondie72

Posted by: blondie72
Posted: 19th Feb 2011

carolinedolan says: Many companies find it easyer to do this so there product is available to everyone this makes sence to me and for the non halal people it makes no differance.

blondie72 says: Hi carolinedolan, apparently it does make a difference to the "non Halal people" such as many Christians, their concerns are to do with how the meats are ritually slaughtered. In this process (which can only be carried out by a Muslim), the Muslim prays to Allah while facing Mecca. Arguments can be made about how humane the process is, and groups like the RSPCA claim it is less humane than traditional slaughter methods, although I have heard otherwise, how can we be sure?



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mistymae53

Posted by: mistymae53
Posted: 5th Mar 2011

mistymae53 says: I had a girlfriend mention this to me, at the time I thought she must have been mistaken, but no, she was on the ball as usual! Put aside the rights or wrongs of this, how deceitful are these companies that have changed or altered their products? I heard about this on the grapevine, but I have noticed these changes have not been widely advertized by the companies. In a democratic country there should be some obligation by companies surely to inform consumers of major changes to products that they produce. Personally I prefer strongly not to consume Halal products, but I do respect other people's rights to do as they wish! Reply

blondie72

Posted by: blondie72
Posted: 6th Mar 2011

mistymae53 says: I had a girlfriend mention this to me, at the time I thought she must have been mistaken, but no, she was on the ball as usual! Put aside the rights or wrongs of this, how deceitful are these...

blondie72 says: I agree mistymae53 that it is very decietful of these major and very popular companies to not inform the general public of this change. I ask myself WHY they chose to keep this quiet - that is the scary part. You only have to pick up a jar of Vegemite and you will see the Halal approved logo on the back! Why don't they make both Halal and non Halal Vegemite? No of they won't do that because again they are keeping the 'minority' happy.........BUT I would like to know the REAL reason they are doing so? Reply

errolsyd

Posted by: errolsyd
Posted: 11th Apr 2011

blondie72 says: I agree mistymae53 that it is very decietful of these major and very popular companies to not inform the general public of this change. I ask myself WHY they chose to keep this quiet - that is the...

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Captain  Slog

Posted by: Captain Slog
Posted: 8th Apr 2012

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Captain Slog says: This might be another can'o' wroms here, but it has to be said.
I read an article in NEXUS Magazine a while back about these zionists insisting that certain companies put "kosher" codes, usually a "U" or a "K" standing out from anything else on the package of certain foods. I've seen them and often wondered what they were.
Apparently, these companies are more or less FORCED to put these "codes" on their packaging, at a cost of up to $15-50,000. per year. IF they failed to comply, they were labelled as "anti semetics" and the word spread that they are to be black listed because they are "antisemetic" (I don't care how its spelled! stuff them!). And these poor companies end up going out of business.
Also, apparently all this money, for having to pay for using this "code", and unwillingly at that, is sent to israel to support the zionists there. I don't know who or what zionists are, but they sure sound evil.
I remember when I was living at the old (Now demploished) Kingsley Private Hotel in George Street, Brisbane from 1977-1979, every month, some bloke used to call in to see the manager and he was carrying this HUGE thick book with him, and the Manager had to sign it somewhere for some reason. One day, I just happened to be at reception for some reason, when this creature arrived and thumped the book down on the front desk. I nearly crapped myself! I turned to look at what it was and it had . . . .ZION. . . . on it. I don't know what the rest of it said, but I Do remember zion on it. The manager must've been a yid, because, unknown to me, the local synagogue was just outside and across the road.
I don't know what the heck's going on, but it sure doesn't look good. All this zionist coding on packaging, BY FORCE of payment or else, is nothing but extortion, and I am very sure in violates everyone's Universal Rights. If I were one of these companies, I'd just tell these filthy zionists to go and get stuffed. WHAT are they going to do? THEY are ther terrorists!!
As for the ritualistic slaughter of animals, I've heard that it IS inhumane and cruel, all done because religion told them to do it that way. And WHAT did I warn you all (See the Easter Entry) about rerligion? ITS EVIL!! ALL OF IT!! Those who are upset with what I said? Tough! IF you think you are of sound mind and have a FREE mind, you will see it for all it really is. Remember! It is a MAN MADE thing intended to CONTROL us all and make us conform to their doing. The Dark Side, if you'd like to think of it that way. And you'd be right. SITH BASTARDS!! Reply

Captain  Slog

Posted by: Captain Slog
Posted: 10th Sep 2015

Captain Slog says: This might be another can'o' wroms here, but it has to be said.
I read an article in NEXUS Magazine a while back about these zionists insisting that certain companies put "kosher" codes,...

Captain Slog says: Supplementary:
DISCLAIMER:
I Wish to apologise to all and anyone who felt the sting of my above comments I made on April 8, 2012 [201204.08].
Sure they stung, but, it is ALL True! I have absolutely NO intent on hurting people at all, just TRY to help them see how they're being manipulated and controlled.
Looking at the muslims, you have to feel sorry for them. They're scared of US, they're scare of each other, and they're scared of their religion. They live in FEAR, and its been brutally pounded into them over the centuries. IF only there was just ONE way they could just SNAP OUT of this controlling fear, they would be FREE to be real people.
I got a little heated with that I was saying above, but, that's how much religion upsets me. And we ALL know where that came from, don't we? And THEY are running the World from America, as well as running America
DON'T give in to the Dark Side! Live a FREE and Natural Life guided by your Natural Instincts and Common Sense.
FOOD is FOOD, but you must NEVER take it for granted. RESPECT it! It is the MOST VALUABLE thing we have in our Lives, because, without it, we die. We can also die if we HAVE it, but it has been abused by someone who ignores the Code of Good Food Handling, Growing and Harvesting. ALWAYS WASH YOUR HANDS when handling Food. Especially if you are expecting Guests. And its not just your Hands that must be kept Clean! Your Kitchen and Everything to do with Food.
Religion of ANY kind has NO SAY in MY Kitchen, and so it should be with YOURS, whoever you are. Suppose some IDIOT claimed to be some weird religious leader and managed to "win" some gullible people over to his way of "thinking", and one day decided to tell these people, "cover their food in shit and leave it over night before cooking it" and gave some ridiculous and NASTY reason WHY they should do this, and WHAT would happen if they didn't? Would these people be STUPID enough to actually follow these SICK directions, or would they throw-up all over him?
Sorry for being crude, but I think I've made my point. Religion is just WRONG and serves absolutely NO purpose.
Enjoy your Food whatever it is. I just hope you can afford to eat properly, because Food is just so expensive these days. Reply

oth kirk

Posted by: oth kirk
Posted: 22nd Aug 2011

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sophietyphoon

Posted by: sophietyphoon
Posted: 1st Nov 2011

sophietyphoon says: What needs to be added is that the Muslim population of the world far exceeds the Christian one. These products are marketed as 'Halal' friendly foods so as they may be exported to the many Muslim countries in the world. We shouldn't feel victimised by this as it is only a marketing strategy, not a religious threat. Reply

blondie72

Posted by: blondie72
Posted: 1st Nov 2011

sophietyphoon says: What needs to be added is that the Muslim population of the world far exceeds the Christian one. These products are marketed as 'Halal' friendly foods so as they may be exported to the many Muslim...

blondie72 says: The point is the Muslim population does NOT far out-weigh the Christian population in "Australia"....and I think these days 'Atheists' far out number both Christians and Muslims...so what about them? Nobody said that it is a religious threat, it is a matter of principles and rights. I'm tired of our rights being walked on by big companies just so they can make a bigger buck. Reply

sophietyphoon

Posted by: sophietyphoon
Posted: 2nd Nov 2011

blondie72 says: The point is the Muslim population does NOT far out-weigh the Christian population in "Australia"....and I think these days 'Atheists' far out number both Christians and Muslims...so what about...

sophietyphoon says: As i said sweety, it's so they can market their product around the WORLD not just here and to save a buck they use the same labels o/s. I'm not religious but i was baptised Greek Orthodox (obviously) and i'm agnostic now. The halal label is just another marketing tool, that's all. Reply

blondie72

Posted by: blondie72
Posted: 2nd Nov 2011

sophietyphoon says: As i said sweety, it's so they can market their product around the WORLD not just here and to save a buck they use the same labels o/s. I'm not religious but i was baptised Greek Orthodox...

blondie72 says: I see your point my dear - dont get me wrong. MY point is it might be "just" a "marketing tool" to YOU but to others and myself it is more than JUST that. Reply

sophietyphoon

Posted by: sophietyphoon
Posted: 2nd Nov 2011

blondie72 says: I see your point my dear - dont get me wrong. MY point is it might be "just" a "marketing tool" to YOU but to others and myself it is more than JUST that.

sophietyphoon says: I understand exactly what you mean, I'm not happy about it myself but until we can change the 'capitalistic' attitude of almost everyone, this type of thing will become more and more commonplace in our country as it has in other countries. It's obvious to many of us that the newest religion pretty much rules the world, that is, Religion of the $$$$$. It's the hardest religion of them ALL to fight. Once someone falls under its spell, they're lost. If you ever start a protest or anything along those lines.... I'm with you hun. Reply

goddesshelen84

Posted by: goddesshelen84
Posted: 9th Nov 2011

goddesshelen84 says: I actually think its discusting. They are doing it for money reasons i believe. But dont you think its even more discusting how they can come here and do all this stuff, BUT if we do this over there we get killed for it. They are aussie brands And the government is stuffing this counrty up by doing this. here are all our farmers these days and producers,,,they are being sold to overseas, who may i add dont even eat vegemite. I think its poor and discusting,,, This poor country of ours, is getting ruined but incompetent polititians Reply

PGS

Posted by: PGS
Posted: 16th Mar 2012

PGS says: As long as the animal is dead when it's on the table, which way the wind was blowing doesn't matter. However, I am not in favour of supporting a barbaric cult that has not reached the societal levels of the dark ages.
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Captain  Slog

Posted by: Captain Slog
Posted: 8th Apr 2012

PGS says: As long as the animal is dead when it's on the table, which way the wind was blowing doesn't matter. However, I am not in favour of supporting a barbaric cult that has not reached the societal...

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faerydoc

Posted by: faerydoc
Posted: 20th Mar 2012

faerydoc says: I don't see what the big deal is. Many products are naturally halal anyway and don't need anything done to them to make them halal - they have just added this designation so that Muslims know it is safe for them to eat, thereby expanding their market. For example, Vegemite is a vegetarian food with no alcohol in it, so as far as I can tell you don't need to change it in any way to make it halal - it already is.
I don't see what these radical changes are that you are talking about. I am not Muslim so I eat what I like - be it halal or not. but I certainly wouldn't avoid a food just because it is designated halal (or kosher or anything else) - I just wouldn't pay more for it for that designation.
Don't be so xenophobic! Reply

PGS

Posted by: PGS
Posted: 8th Apr 2012

faerydoc says: I don't see what the big deal is. Many products are naturally halal anyway and don't need anything done to them to make them halal - they have just added this designation so that Muslims know it is...

PGS says: ummm. Vegetables & fruit would be 'halal' naturally. Any animal has to be put through the ritual.

It's not so much a case of xenophobia - if you saw my families nationality list you'd understand that - it's more a case of not wanting the country over-run & controlled by a cult that stuffed the countires these people came from, only to have them demand their lifestyle be left to run here - then take over. Look at England. So many places now - even sections of London - non-muslims can't really be in. One Asian woman running her shop in one of the areas was told she had to dress like a muslim & convert to be allowed to keep her shop there safely. Really, it's just not on.

If I visit their countries, I expect to have to eat they food types. Here I shouldn't have to.
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Shezak

Posted by: Shezak
Posted: 15th Apr 2012

PGS says: ummm. Vegetables & fruit would be 'halal' naturally. Any animal has to be put through the ritual.

It's not so much a case of xenophobia - if you saw my families nationality list you'd...

Shezak says: If we are talking about Halal THEN What about KOSHER. It is a bit like eating a steak Blue or very well done.....it is up to the individual! Reply

Anonymous

Posted by: Anonymous
Posted: 16th Aug 2012

Shezak says: If we are talking about Halal THEN What about KOSHER. It is a bit like eating a steak Blue or very well done.....it is up to the individual!

says: i really think these people (minority) should understand and make clear of themselves they are living in somebody else counrtry..it like when in Rome do as Roman do... Reply

capri

Posted by: capri
Posted: 17th Jun 2013

capri says: Wow, what's wrong with you people? Aren't you all being discriminate here? If you don't like the label HALAL in their food, just stop buying the product, and stop venting about what you think is right or wrong.
Moslems is a belief, a religion, same like Budhist, Christian or or whatever it is out there. With all your negative comments it seems like you're narrow minded type of person. Moslems can't eat anything that has alcohols or pork contained in their food, why can't you respect that? Just like you respect other vegetarian or gluten free things. Reply

Anonymous

Posted by: Anonymous
Posted: 21st Jul 2013

says: Having the halal logo makes the product available for everyone living in the country. This helps make more profit for the company. Also, making a product "halal" does not change the way it tastes or looks. So why should it be any problem for those who are non-muslims? Reply

Dora

Posted by: Dora
Posted: 23rd Oct 2013

Dora says: I am a non muslim. I am not in favour of bending over backwards to suit a small section of population who should really learn the culture & habits of the new country they have adopted as their own.
I mean if any non muslim travels to a muslim country, they are quite to enforce thier culture on on visitors. So they too should follow the culture of the country they come too.
That being said, when it comes to food, so long as the taste & the nutritional content of the products have not changed, then I am not concerned about it being halal or not.
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SimDiesel

Posted by: SimDiesel
Posted: 14th Feb 2014

SimDiesel says: 100%..!!

I have a lot of muslim friends, but at the end of the day, we all live here, in Australia...

This is the way WE do things.
Like it, or ship out..
(I'm of European descent mind you)

Imagine going to another country and demanding they change their ways to suit us??
Would NEVER happen..
Why is Australia so frickin soft on everything and folds at the slightest revolt??
They punish us for the most minor of things as though we are all still convicts yet major issues they fold like a deck of cards..
The world is WAYYY too politically correct.
Get over it people..

We aren't governed by an islamic govt so we shouldn't have to adapt to YOUR way.
You adapt to ours.... Reply

sabusforms

Posted by: sabusforms
Posted: 15th Mar 2016

sabusforms says: Firstly , there are so many different Halal certification companies collecting this money & no way of tracking where the money goes. If we have to have Halal certification, There should be only one main body receiving this money & it should be accountable to a Federal Govt. body who verifies where the money id s going. Reply

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