Breasts and nipples
Posted by: Yqsymnx
29th Jan 2016 12:12pm
Men have them. Women have them.
We all demand equality and want to be treated equally, yet women are still vilified for 'indecent exposure' for showing something that both parties naturally have.
Albeit women's breasts and nipples have become a sexualised part of the anatomy. Why only women? Should men wear nipple pasties when they head out to the beach?
The news and media have full coverage of all the 'celebrities' that continue to pervert this law by wearing revealing outfits. Think Miley Cyrus and already no one cares anymore about which parts of her you haven't seen.
Add to this the free the nipple campaign. What about those 'micro' bikinis which pretty much show off the whole boob and just cover the nipple.
When did a nipple become offensive? Where do you draw the line at 'indecent'?
We all demand equality and want to be treated equally, yet women are still vilified for 'indecent exposure' for showing something that both parties naturally have.
Albeit women's breasts and nipples have become a sexualised part of the anatomy. Why only women? Should men wear nipple pasties when they head out to the beach?
The news and media have full coverage of all the 'celebrities' that continue to pervert this law by wearing revealing outfits. Think Miley Cyrus and already no one cares anymore about which parts of her you haven't seen.
Add to this the free the nipple campaign. What about those 'micro' bikinis which pretty much show off the whole boob and just cover the nipple.
When did a nipple become offensive? Where do you draw the line at 'indecent'?
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Moongold
Yes, but the FACTS are that the sight of a woman's breast causes sexual arousal in the male, but not so vide-versa! Not unless some woman has a male-nipple fetish, that is! It's ALWAYS been known since Creation what the sight of women's breasts will do to a male - THAT'S why they're all over the Press and not men's "nipples"! They haven't 'become' sexualised: women's breasts have ALWAYS had that effect , and that's confirmed by science now as well! (Which doesn't really mean much anyway: As if all the people in history wouldn't have known that's the way it works!) I agree the Press should be stopped from making this a major focus in all news reports, photos, events: it's sickening, but who's going to stop it with governments and law enforcement not giving a damn anyway? The real issue is that a decent sense of MORALITY has for a very long time been disappearing off our planet - that's why we have the problem and it's only going to get worse. Where do I draw the line at indecent: what's private and for sexual use is to be covered - simple. And that includes pushing the boob out for 'breastfeeding' in public places. I find this very questionable ....
Yqsymnx
I would like for you to substantiate any claims to scientific fact or statistic with circumstantial evidence.
It is true that many people are aroused by the breast, but in the same way, many women are equally aroused by the exposed - but decent - torso of a male. What qualifies the exposure of a male, but disqualifies the exposure of a female?
Also consider the gay, lesbian, transgender, etc. With these categories in mind, it does blur the lines a good deal more
Moongold
What I can't understand is why women can't just cover up and act decently anyway, especially around men. It's scientifically recognised that men's sexual "triggers" are set off by what they SEE; with women it's more how they are touched. Women who willingly thrust their private parts at men for them to ogle are, truly, asking for it! (as men sometimes say). We KNOW how the sight of breasts affects men: it's in your face every day on the news! It's simply truth that WE have the control to a greater or lesser extent, on how we are treated by men. Women scream 'rape' and wonder why young girls are being molested and sexually assaulted. If you promote the things that get men's engines going, you're really largely to blame if you're raped or molested: or worse, YOU may not cop it, but some young girl who is in the near vicinity, might! That's just how it works. As for women breastfeeding, you'd think that mothers of young babies would cover up most of all. Or, we might just need to get prepared to be reading a headline telling us that a breastfeeding woman in public was sexually molested or assaulted. I mean, it's not rocket science! Have some self-respect, women, and help the men who can't help but be turned on by what they SEE.
Perelus
nipples are not offensive of themselves, they only become offensive when somebody makes them that way.That shows either immaturity or just plain jealousy. Nipples have a purpose and you can accept it or not, but they are NOT and have never been indecent. Only the perception changes from culture to culture and era to era
Yqsymnx
Thank you for your comment. This is exactly what I'm trying to establish.
It is society that has deemed breasts and nipples to be 'sexual objects' only.
dennis
I don't think they become indecent. It is only when the media makes an issue of it.
Yqsymnx
Hahahaha... Just found this one to all to the hilarity of it all
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/north-hampshire-politicians-trying-to-pass-bill-to-criminalise-women-for-exposing-nipples/news-story/24fb8facd298690e17bb900499bf68db
chickenman
that is going overboard; but then again, it is in USA
Bigfoot
It doesn't matter who looks at females nipples, some will be "turned on" by them, be it a heterosexual male or a lesbian. It all comes down to a matter of attitude by the onlooker. Just remember, everything eventually goes full circle be it religious thinking, moral attitude or behaviour.
bj
I am Woman! I breast fed 4 kiddies in a discrete manner. My body parts are MINE. Not for public display. I believe women should breast feed in a quiet, decent fashion in public if they so wish. I do not like seeing a child hanging out in the open off a full breast on display. To me the woman is just being a little 'Hey look at my boob" attitude, not so much about feeding the baby. Some in fact most cover or half cover the breast, and that is great, the other few, NAH! As one be;ow stated there are many perverts who enjoy the huge show, on the flip side what you cant see is what makes life interesting
Yqsymnx
In answer to this one, it is unhealthy for a male to have an erection for a great period of time. Hence for them to come out on the street with a full erection would be to the detriment of society
As to how I know, being a male, I do not walk around with erections everywhere I go. I can definitely say I have first hand experience in this aspect.
There is a lot of assumption in your arguments.
It's hard to argue with someone who does not put forth a valid argument, but only provides beliefs and 'what they think they know' facts.
And I am definitely NOT saying you are unintelligent... just to make this point clear
Yqsymnx
Hello Moongold
I'm sorry that you are offended by this topic.
It was never my intention to aggravate or cause distress.
I try to justify all my arguments in the neutral voice so as to not have a position, but to add another perspective, therefore allowing respondents to ponder and counter as they see fit. Again, I will say I do not condone indecency, but it is certainly something we may have to deal with in the near future as nudity is becoming a trending norm.
I understand your position on this is of the conservative kind and I respect that. However, do you consider that current society is treading a fine line between what you consider correct and what they now believe is ok? As used in my opening paragraph, Miley Cyrus. Her full exposure in various forms of media is thus a role model to countless legion of her fans.
As an example: if you have kids of that age, they may idolise her in some form with or without your knowing. What would your response be to your child should they want to follow in her footsteps? You could say no, which may render your child rebellious to your views. They may then run away. What would be your stand? You would have to come to accept their choice in life to some degree, would you not?
Please take my comments with a grain of salt and understand I am only promoting healthy debate
Moongold
Good on you, BJ. I don't like the tone of 'Phoenixflame's comments in these forum. He obviously has a 'preference' for everyone to expose their private body parts. In some comments he sounds like a pervert, and not at all ensuring he keeps in mind that he doesn't know the age of the people he's communicating with on this site! Should young people be even reading his comments? I definitely did not like the sound of his "what father wouldn't like to see his young daughter has a good body" type comment - something wrong here!
Moongold
First, how do YOU know they don't walk around with erections "all day long"? Just because we see photos with males with no erections in sight means nothing! And, as such tribes are totally 'desensitised', as you call it by the fact they don't know any better, is no comparison with our 'civilised', sexual-crime- bombarded world. Tribes in jungles don't know any better and probably don't care. I would also think their time is greatly used in merely battling to survive rather than focusing on sex all day (unlike so many of their 'civilised' counterparts who have everything and nothing better to do)! And yes, I totally agree there has been a 'desensitisation' in regard to the 'previously taboo' sights! I think I've covered this in another comment to you. And if our governments/whoever is responsible for controlling sex crimes etc DON'T act to prohibit the extreme and disgusting way people 'reveal all' these days, who is going to? The further 'desensitisation' is permitted, the more sex crimes and attacks will occur. Watch and see!
Yqsymnx
I can't help but note you are missing the point.
I am indicating that society has 'sexualised' breasts. Consider the tribes that do not wear clothing in a similar fashion as the 'western world'. You do not see them men of these tribes walking around erect all day long.
With all body parts, both male and female, highlighted in the news all the time, can it be thought there is a desensitisation of these previously 'taboo' sights?
Yqsymnx
It was not implied that 'if you've got it, flaunt it', as that would fall under the category of 'attention seeking' and possibly egotistical. Merely, it would be better to note that breasts are natural and all women, and now-a-days some men, have them.
With your second comment, this would be a personal preference. What's the difference between a bare chest on a male and a bare chest on a female? You could argue that one has breasts. Fatter men have breasts also, but they are not told to cover them up.
Hairy chests. Is this the same for you as breasts? Hair should be covered?
Yqsymnx
Is it attention women seek should they consider this? Or is it society saying people who do this are attention seekers?
Does it change your perspectives if I note here that I am also a male?
I do not disagree with BJ, but what she has said was that if a woman has her breasts on display, they are seeking attention when they are merely just feeding a child. Could it be considered that the person feeding did not have the same equipment as BJ and hence unable to hide as well. Else maybe this person doesn't mind people seeing a little breast. After all, it is natural and nothing to be ashamed of. As stated at the start, all women have them as do many males now-a-days
bj
I agree with you. Males seem to have more uncontrollable urges than females.. Yeah! to women..
bj
You seem to think one has to be ashamed of body parts not to want to see them out in the open. I am not ashamed, I just dont like the 'if you got it, flaunt it' attitude. With men, great bare chests are good, the hairy ones .. please hide them
Moongold
Absolutely agree! What I can't understand is why women can't just cover up and act decently anyway, especially around men. It's scientifically recognised that men's sexual "triggers" are set off by what they SEE; with women it's more how they are touched. Women who willingly thrust their private parts at men for them to ogle are, truly, asking for it! (as men sometimes say). We KNOW how the sight of breasts affects men: it's in your face every day on the news! It's simply truth that WE have the control to a greater or lesser extent, on how we are treated by men. Women scream 'rape' and wonder why young girls are being molested and sexually assaulted. If you promote the things that get men's engines going, you're really largely to blame if you're raped or molested: or worse, YOU may not cop it, but some young girl who is in the near vicinity, might! That's just how it works. As for women breastfeeding, you'd think that mothers of young babies would cover up most of all. Or, we might just need to get prepared to be reading a headline telling us that a breastfeeding woman in public was sexually molested or assaulted. I mean, it's not rocket science! Have some self-respect, women, and help the men who can't help but be turned on by what they SEE.
chickenman
you can walk around topless if you like Phoenixflame: i am sure you would get the attention you seek; but i prefer to agree with BJ
Yqsymnx
Would you consider a breast to be anything more than a feeding device for children? Does it shame you to display your bosom to anyone other than your children or significant other? If yes, why?
The point I'm trying to make is that society has for too long deemed breasts to be something to be 'ashamed' of. Why cover the nipple only when the rest of the boob is on show? What about men? They have nipples too. Shouldn't they be required to cover them up in public if this is the attitude?
PGS
Miley Cyrus... her dad must just SO proud of her. Rihanna isn't much better (although a bit prettier).
Religion has a lot to answer for the need to cover. Can't have the religious people upset by baring things that were bare in biblical times.
Yqsymnx
Very interesting that you have taken this comment completely out of context.
If you read the paragraph in the whole, you will note that I did not make that statement as a matter of fact or from my point of view. This was merely an illustration.
Yqsymnx
Your first point demonstrates the fact evidently.
We are taught to cover up. Hence by virtue of being taught that we should not expose any body part tends to underlie the shame for which we are to have.
I am definitely not for indecency or acts of provocation, but can you argue against the fact that society has sexualised certain body parts? Would it be that we lived like those native tribes where nudity is the norm, then would there be any sexual crime? If you desensitise the sexuality attributed to those parts aforementioned, would there still be 'offence' or acts of 'sexual crime' as you have mentioned?
To answer your query about what is gained about concealing or exposing: let's start with the debate that guys can walk around topless while women cannot. But I digress, this point is moot. Let us return to the days pre fashion.
Answer me this: what is the point of clothing other than to protect us from the elements?
Again, let me iterate that I do not have a position on this topic. I am merely providing another perspective to promote deeper thinking and understanding of what creates societal norms
Moongold
'Presenting nature's gift to SOCIETY'? I think with THAT comment I'll ask you to not correspond with me again! What are you? Some sort of pervert?
Moongold
Interesting that you consider covering one's private parts to be something we were taught to be ashamed of - I think YOU'RE the one "missing the point", Phoenix! It's not any matter of 'being ashamed', but rather, what is achieved by concealing or exposing? The point is that we, if we want a decrease in sexual attacks and crimes in society, need to STOP PROVOKING it in any way possible! I'm sure you would have read of many, many increased and alarmingly violent sexual attacks that are occurring and even being perpetrated against very young children. When we once HAD a decent society, that simply RESPECTED and EXPECTED women to cover themselves in decency, and had laws to ensure that decency and non-offence to others was observed, there was a HUGE decrease in sexual crime compared to what we're seeing today! Men are provoked by what they see, as I keep saying. And women need to co-operate and regain self-respect, and show men they do know what respecting themselves in this regard means.
PGS
Me too, and we are not alone.
Emperor's New Clothes springs to mind.
Yqsymnx
Unfortunately I'm part of the society that taught us to be shamed by our bodies.
However, this topic is a good thinking point and it's to consider if there is any future trend towards the universal acceptance of nudity.
It will be interesting for the fashion industry if nudity does eventually become the norm.
PGS
Seems you would be quite happy for your kids do behave like that. Seriously, not my problem.
Whether Miley's father likes her body or not also is nothing to me - it was more her behaviour I was referring to.
You bite hard & quick - is your body one you want to show off (but might be too timid to), or is it one that would look best in a burqua?
Yqsymnx
Why wouldn't you be proud as a father to have a daughter that has a very good and well kept body? Does she 'flaunt' her body as a sex object, whereas in this instance it would be inappropriate. Or are they presenting Nature's gift to society and trying to 'unsexualise' the world?
chickenman
it is more a question of "how" , "where" and "why" women's breasts are exposed and displayed. some people are "turned on" at the site of a woman's breasts and for that reason, it is considered "appropriate" that they are not wantonly displayed.
GAK
I don't mind if a woman likes to expose her breasts or nipples. However I am also a hot blooded male and I wouldn't like nor should I expect to be called a pervert for sneaking peeks of a female who didn't mind exposing that region.
Yqsymnx
In Europe and many other cultures and therefore places, women's breasts are not sexualised as they are in America and henceforth Australia. Is it right that society has deemed them sexual objects in some cultures, but not others?
Which beggers the question, are we more closely affiliated with America or Britain?
Our heritage is Britain, but...
aussieed
always decent